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And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32

Frequently Asked Question

What is the Mormonism view of Satan's fall?

Isaiah says, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations! And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit" (Isa 14:12-14). Notice, this passage says nothing about Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven. The American Standard Version, which I have quoted, speaks of "Day-star, son of the morning." Which is, of course, the Sun. The King James Version says, "O Lucifer, son of the morning." The Hebrew word "Lucifer" means "light-bearer" or "brightness." It does not refer to Satan. Many good Bible scholars think Isaiah is talking about the King of Babylon, others say he is talking about Jesus. No credible scholar, to my knowledge, says this refers to the accuser of mankind -- the devil, or Satan. There is nothing said here about a war in heaven, Satan and/or 1/3 of his angels. Neither is there a necessary connection between the verses in Isaiah, and Jude 1:6, and Rev. 12:7-9. In other words to use the three passages together one is obligated to show they are talking about the same thing. To gather up Bible verses randomly simply because they contain the same word, or speak of events that have a common denominator (like being cast down or out) is deceitful handling of the word of God. The person claiming a necessary connection between passages must demonstrate there is a relation. Until that is established, the responder to the idea being presented is under no obligation to refute what is asserted.

The passage in Revelation reads, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels going forth to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels; And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him" (Rev 12:7-9). For this to be valid in connection with what the Mormons are trying to prove, one must show the time frame. When did this happen? The very next verse says, "And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night" (Rev 12:10). So, the expulsion of the dragon from heaven happened in connection with the coming of salvation, the kingdom of God, and the power of Christ. It refers therefore to the cross, the resurrection, the ascension, the church, and salvation. (Salvation came with the coming of the new covenant -- see Heb 8:8-12). It refers to the victory time of Revelation 5:9-14). It is not something that happened before the coming of Christ and his authority. The Mormons place the casting down of Satan that they erroneously connect with Isaiah 14:12-14 and Jude 1:6 long before Jesus came into the world to bring salvation and to receive all authority (See Matt. 28:18-20 & Phil 2:5-11). The reference in Revelation is speaking of the victory of Jesus over Satan and the binding of Satan -- See Rev. 20:1-4).

Jude 1:6 speaks of something in the distant past about which we know very little. It is not speaking of the origin of Satan, but deals with rebellious angels. Jude speaks of something known to him by revelation, but unknown to us. Anyway, the verse does not mention Satan, or a third of his angels. The point Jude makes is that God will not spare those who rebel against him and refuse his law -- he did not spare angels, nor Sodom and Gomorrah, and neither will he spare us if we do not faithfully follow his law.

H. A. "Buster" Dobbs, email:
P. O. Box 690192
Houston, Texas 77269-0192
(281) 469-3540

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